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Big Ben is an elite QB and Eli is not.

Posted on: July 8, 2008 1:53 pm
Edited on: July 10, 2008 12:00 am
 

Big Ben vs. Eli Manning, or why Big Ben is an elite QB and Eli is not (Part 1)

Don't get me wrong, I DO like Peyton Manning, I like the Giants, and I don't think Big Ben has of yet proven he is the next Steve Young, when I say elite, I mean out of active QBs in the game today.
So, Big Ben vs Eli huh? To the mental equivalent of the great unwashed they seem similar. Each was a 1st round 2004 pick, both are about the same age and height, both won a conference championship, and both won a SB mainly on the rest of their team's performance. No real difference right? WRONG!!!
They are as different as night and day.
They have both started a similar number of games, but the differences are significant.
Ben has won 45 and lost 20 (.692) Eli won 34 and lost 28 (.548)
(abbreviated B & E respectively hence)
Career passer rating B 92.5 E 73.4
Career Completion percentage B 63.2 E 54.7
Career Yd/reception B 8.1 E 6.3
Career TD% B 5.8 E 4.3
Career INT% B 3.8 E 3.5 Ben's figure is inflated by the 4.9% crash year- 3.5 IS average for Eli
Playoff winning % B 71.4 E 66.6
Let's also look at consistency by year
In 2004 Ben had 8 games at >100 passer(1 at 158.0:0.3 from perfect) and had 1 games at <60 passer rating
In 2004 Eli had 2 games at >100 passer and had 4 games at <60 passer rating (1 at 16.9)

In 2005 Ben had 7 games at >100 passer (1 at 158.3 perfect)and had 3 games at <60 passer rating (including SB)
In 2005 Eli had 3 games at >100 passer and had 4 games at <60 passer rating (& 1 at 62.2)

In 2006 Ben had 5 games at >100 passer and had 5 games at <60 passer rating (accident abberration year)
In 2006 Eli had 3 games at >100 passer and had 4 games at <60 passer rating

In 2007 Ben had 7 games at >100 passer and had 0 games at <60 passer rating
In 2007 Eli had 5 games at >100 passer (2 in playoffs) and had 4 games at <60 passer rating

B27>100 9<60 41% of his games played at >100 passer rating 13% less than 60
E13>100 12<60 20% of his games played at >100 passer rating 19% less than 60

All this show that Ben has consistently performed at a high level with very few bad games. Eli has been wildly inconsistent and has had about as many bad games as good. Ben's numbers compare to Peyton and Brady (except yardage due to the run 1st Steeler philosophy) and Eli's compare to Brian Greise and Phillip Rivers.

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Posted on: July 8, 2008 11:30 pm

Big Ben is an elite QB and Eli is not.

Big Ben played like crap in his Superbowl win and the Steelers won DESPITE him, Eli was an a very important part of winning thier Superbowl.



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Since: Mar 13, 2008
Posted on: July 9, 2008 6:47 pm

Big Ben is an elite QB and Eli is not.

Ben Roethlisberger is an elite quarterback. No doubt. The one bad season came after a car crash and he was never right physically and mentally that whole year. Who would?

He has things to improve on -- getting the ball out quicker to check downs to avoid sacks, for example -- but he consistently gives his team a chance to win. His stats are not inflated by blowout games where a team has to throw on every down.

Most importantly, there are few teams in the NFL that wouldn't trade their starting QB straight up for Big Ben. If you offered that deal to the Giants, they'd take it. And that's all that needs to be said about this comparison.



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Since: Nov 18, 2006
Posted on: July 10, 2008 5:50 am

Big Ben is an elite QB and Eli is not.

Ben is slightly ahead of Eli as far as development goes. But Eli can be as good as any QB in the league when he finds his rythym as he proved last year on the way to the Giants SB win. But Ben plays in a division that  isnt year in and year out as difficult as the NFC East  so his win total should be higher. Ben also played in a system that protected the QB from having to win games on his own with a ball control power running game (not saying the Giants are the second coming of air Coryell but I think the Steelerds. Having to be the QB of the Steelers has to be one of the toughest QB jobs in the NFL but I think the scrutiny the New York press has on a New York QB  is the toughest especially after drawing all that attention to yourself on draft day. So the next 5 years will tell the true story as to which QB is the best. But if I had to chose right now its  Ben in a heartbeat.



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Since: Mar 8, 2008
Posted on: July 10, 2008 11:43 am

Big Ben is an elite QB and Eli is not.

Ben is slightly ahead of Eli as far as development goes

It's a bit perplexing how you can say that when Ben has had over twice as many games at >100 passer rating, I think that shows a good deal of developmental advantage, more likely though it's greater talent.

But Eli can be as good as any QB in the league when he finds his rythym as he proved last year on the way to the Giants SB win.

Check out the game logs. (and yes I watched the games as well) Eli had two, count'em, TWO good playoff games and then reverted to his normal mediocre level of play. What happened was his team proved his contribution was very inconsequential, all they needed from him were Trent Dilfer numbers and no mistakes.

Ben also played in a system that protected the QB from having to win games on his own with a ball control power running game

Except last year, that is probably true, If Ben were on the Cowboys, he'd probably be blowing away most other QBs in yardage as well.

I think too many people feel sorry for Eli and try to rationalize for him.